there’s a little thing going on ………………
Talking with Simon – 13th March 2011
Photographer: Simon Ellis
1st interview
Simon “I hope this is OK …..we don’t have too long but I can see you again after the next set.”
Sara “That’s fine. I intend to respond to the work rather than review it, to just dwell in and around the piece. Vida and Claire thought it would be good for us to meet up and have a dialogue around this piece as my research is focusing on stillness.”
Sara “So how many times have you made this work?”
Simon “We did it last year with a group of dancers actually. 8 dancers at St Pancreas in London and Claire saw it there. It was a commission by the Place and St Pancreas. Then I forgot about it really, and then Claire said would you like to do a version for Nott dance. It makes perfect sense, historically, in terms of what nott dance has been about. Things that are right on the edge or have fallen off the edge in terms of dance practices. This one was a little bit different, because most of these performers have little dance experience. So being in the rehearsal room was very different. I was curious what it would be like. When you’re involved in the embrace a lot goes on. Very basically it’s quite a long time, not that long, but you do start to get a bit sore and it’s also its very emotional. Embracing someone even if you don’t know them…..”
Sara “Or maybe particularly if you don’t know them?”
Simon “Maybe particularly if you don’t know them. In hindsight of course……I find that….well just how significant that act is to humans. We’re not supposed to be statues or anything like that. It’s not about trying to get money from….like buskers. But the guys here that aren’t trained they tend towards that. The idea of moving, doing movement that is not drawing attention is quite hard. Then if I think about my dance training….to scale back is quite difficult.”
Sara”Yes, sometimes when I have worked with dancers, working on the untraining of the bodies, the everyday-ness, has been more challenging than working with performers who are physically competent and aware and knowing but haven’t got those traditional techniques.”
Simon “Yeah, that’s right. Very complex. Those kinds of people would be ideal. Not that I think with this there needs to be a particular kind of person. For me there is something very pleasurable about the idea that it doesn’t need a certain kind of person. Indeed that was one of our ideas because they were all dancers last time they just tend to be a little more uniform, so it’s really lovely that its different ages ….I think that suits the ideas in the work much better.”
Sara”So how do you get them to ’become’ still then?”
Simon “Two weeks ago we had a two hour rehearsal…..with a group of about 5 from the city council and I spent the entire time getting them to a point where they would just be comfortable hugging someone they didn’t know. Then what happened, not surprisingly was that 3 of them, there were all these redundancies being made, so 3 of them have interviews on Monday (tomorrow) so they said we can’t do it. So none of this group were at that rehearsal. So we met yesterday ……laughs….that’s fine, so I really had no time so I said to them well we’re just going to do that. In a way it’s probably better….so what we did was we did a little task in pairs where we would say the things that were on our mind at the moment and at the end of it we had to try and do an awkward hug, what would an awkward hug feel like? There were lots of parodies…….everyone met everyone. It takes quite a long time maybe a whole hour.
I said this work involves two things embracing and waving………………it’s pretty casual and then we set up the exercise and it was interesting because basically we’re interested in each other, humans are interested in each other, how quickly it was for them to get to a point where they were engaging in this prolonged embrace, some of them knew each other but a lot didn’t and that engagement is deeply pleasurable for me. Then there’s the practical things; like how do you get your feet right so that it’s not awkward. So we made a couple of rules, like lets have our feet either side of each other one on the outside one on the inside, little things that people who are not working in body practices are not used to figuring out for themselves. …..so then they’d shift to the next person and have a conversation about the hug they just had so there’s a sense that if I have a conversation with someone who I didn’t just hug I might be able to say different things and it might inform how I hug this next person. Then it was 2 minutes, 3 minutes, then I tricked them into 4 minutes, then 5.”
Sara “Are you interested in those conversations the performers have, those dialogues?”
Simon “No …… yes. Well, I was trying to give them as much space as possible but because I was also involved I became aware……we’d check in together as a group. If there’s anything that they think is important or if there is anything that they’re not sure about then those conversations reveal a lot about what people are remembering.”
Sara “Where’s the inspiration from? Can you track that?”
Simon “That’s a very unusual experience. I was at the Place in 2009 and I was doing some research in the studio. Chris from The Place stopped me and said we’re applying for some money to do something at St Pancreas next year, are you interested in doing something? At first I thought of a technological thing, embedding screens into the floor but then I said I wasn’t interested in that as I do that a lot I wanted to do something that was right at the other end of the scale. I was thinking about this place, this zone, which I’ve experienced a lot in train stations and airports. Bob and Lee talk about it as a ‘no place.’ The zooming in on a place that is public and open. The significance of that. “
Sara “What’s really interesting as well is how active people are within that space.”
Simon “Yeah. We spent much longer at St Pancreas, so we spent a lot of time just watching. Also St Pancreas is such a different space to this. People notice immediately here whereas in St Pancreas…..wow….. (looks at watch) I need to go.”
Sara “Go.”
2nd interview
Train times tannoy in the background.
Interview cuts in to ……..
Sara “I had to have a practice I could do at 45 I love the way the kind of yoga I do is framed.”
Simon and I talking about yoga – yin yoga
Sara “Just letting go – gravity. It’s to do with fascia you just have to let go in order to be still to meditate.”
Sara “Can we talk about audience?
“My experience is that I had a narrative journey of it, in the sense that I was moving through a number of sections.”
Simon “Yes”
“How significant is it that D4 are giving out a card that says this is a piece in nott dance, connected to a festival? That frames it in a particular way doesn’t it?”
Simon “Yeah. It’s not my ideal situation it’s fair to say. But also I think there’s always those constraints, in understanding the realities of the situation. My idea was if people really show curiosity you might go, here’s a card, so you know, a year ago when we first started talking about it we had postcards……..I wanted the idea that even if its only 4 people in 6 hours I’m not really concerned with the number of people; if they want to know more they can take a card and go and look it upon the website and see a little bit more information…….. But how to manage that (the giving out or availability of that material). It’s been very tight. It’s not a complaint but…..
Even using the word performance is problematic.
1. Yin Yoga contains the ancient, and some say original, form of asana practice. The sages who pioneered the path of yoga used asanas to strengthen the body, so that they could sit for long periods in contemplative meditation. If you have ever sat for a long time with legs crossed, you know the hips and lower back need to be strong and open. The sensations you felt were deep in the connective tissues and the joints. These are the deep yin tissues of the body, relative to the more superficial yang tissues of muscles and skin. Yin Yoga opens up these deep, dense, rarely touched areas. www.yinyoga.com
Yin yoga is relaxing and therapeutic. Yin Yoga uses long holds of supported postures to release fascia. Fasica is the connective tissue that holds us together surrounding muscles and muscle cells, attaching muscles to bones (ligaments) and bones to bones (tendons).
Muscle fibers are red and can only contract. Fascia tissue is white and can only lengthen Fascia takes a long time to warm-up and changes slowly. Once lengthened the changes to fascia are long lasting.
http://www.michellemyhre.com/2010/12/relax-deeply-yin-yoga-sequence.html